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sbchan
11-16-2006, 06:44 PM
AT A GLANCE: RELIGIOUS DIVERSITY

1. Intellectual Responses to Religious Diversity
1.1. Skepticism
• Religious diversity provides reasons for doubting that any religion is true or leads to salvation.

1.2. Exclusivism
• Salvific Exclusivism: only one religion is true and that is the only religion that leads to salvation (enlightenment, Nirvana, and so on).
• Doctrinal Exclusivism: only one religion is true. Doctrinal exclusivists come in two forms: those who don’t think those of other religions will attain salvation (salvific exclusivists) and those who do think those of other religions will attain salvation (inclusivists).

1.3. Inclusivism
• The view that while there are many different paths to salvation, only the teachings of one religion can be true.

1.4. Pluralism
• The view that many religions both lead to salvation and are true.



2. Do the Facts of Diversity Rule Out Exclusivism?
• Hick says that in most cases, a person’s religious preference is determined by accidents of birth.
• Hick does not infer that people aren’t entitled to their religious beliefs.
• This conclusion might seem to follow nonetheless.

2.1. Van Inwagen
• “Hitler youth” analogy intended to show that even though our views are “conditioned” by our upbringing, this isn’t a reason to doubt them.
• Response: Van Inwagen fails to distinguish between influences that are neutral or helpful and influences that undermine rationality.

2.2. Plantinga
• For any philosophical view we hold, there are times and/or places such that if we had been born then or there, we wouldn’t have held the view we do now.
• Response: Hick’s observation suggests that religious belief isn’t just influenced by upbringing but seems largely determined by it.
• Issue: is religious belief the result of a reliable process?


2.3. Reliable and Unreliable Belief-Forming Mechanisms
• Members of one religion could be directly inspired by God.
• Problem: even if this is true, members of that group have no basis for thinking that they are the privileged ones.

2.4. A Biblical Analogy
• Plantinga imagines someone who honestly thinks that what King David did to Uriah was not despicable.
• The existence of such people would not be a reason for us to doubt our own moral judgment.
• Reply: this is not a good analogy. A person like that would be clearly morally incompetent. Members of one religion usually have no reason to think that members of other religions are incompetent.

3. Pluralism
• Hick thinks people are entitled to trust their religious experience.
• He views pluralism not as a religion but as a religious hypothesis intended to make sense of religious diversity.
• The Real is beyond our grasp, but different religions can bring us into partial contact with it mediated through the symbols and concepts we have available.

3.1. Metaphors for Pluralism
• The duck-rabbit.
• Quantum theory and wave-particle duality.
• The stereogram.
a. To the skeptic: the fact that you can’t see something doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
b. To the exclusivist: there may be more than one legitimate way to see something.
4. Problems for Pluralism
• Pluralism is more like a religion than Plantinga admits: it offers a particular and contentious view of the divine.
• Hick might reply that religion isn’t just doctrine.
• The exclusivist might answer that doctrine still matters.

5. Religious and Non-Religious Differences
• Deep differences in philosophy don’t usually persuade us to abandon our positions. Why should religions be different?
• Answer: it doesn’t have to be, but for most people, religious beliefs aren’t held on philosophical grounds.
• Usually (e.g., in the abortion debate), intellectual responsibility calls for thinking about other people’s views and considering their arguments.
• People usually don’t approach inter-religious difference this way.
• This may have a pragmatic justification


6. A Modest Proposal
• Believers are seldom in a position to be sure that they aren’t missing something that members of other faiths see.
• Getting religious truth right is likely to be difficult.
• One can hold religious beliefs in a non-grasping way.
• One can have religious beliefs without being too concerned about whether people who disagree are wrong.

WEB RESOURCES AND FURTHER READING
There is a great deal of statistical information about various religions at
http://adherents.com.

One of the largest sites on the internet for the discussion of religious and interfaith issues is http://beliefnet.org.

John Hick has his own website at http://www.johnhick.org.uk.

S. Mark Heim explores the view that there may not be just one Ultimate Good in his book, Salvations: Truth and Difference in Religion (Maryknoll, New York: Orbis Books, 1995).

kktsui
11-17-2006, 06:28 AM
AT A GLANCE: RELIGIOUS DIVERSITY

1. Intellectual Responses to Religious Diversity
1.1. Skepticism
• Religious diversity provides reasons for doubting that any religion is true or leads to salvation.....


真巧,最近上的 course 就是討論 religious pluralism。在看一本叫 Encountering Religious Pluralism 的書,作者 Harold Netland 在 John Hick 門下讀 PhD,書也是以回應他師父的理論為主 .... 還在看,有沒有人看過這書 ?:)

多謝 sbchan 的資料 !

clement
11-17-2006, 06:56 AM
真巧,最近上的 course 就是討論 religious pluralism。在看一本叫 Encountering Religious Pluralism 的書,作者 Harold Netland 在 John Hick 門下讀 PhD,書也是以回應他師父的理論為主 .... 還在看,有沒有人看過這書 ?:)

多謝 sbchan 的資料 !

我看過約翰希克(John Hick)的著作,不過現在更感興趣的是尼特(Paul Knitter)、潘尼卡(Raimundo Panikkar)。 :)

kktsui
11-17-2006, 07:37 AM
我看過約翰希克(John Hick)的著作,不過現在更感興趣的是尼特(Paul Knitter)、潘尼卡(Raimundo Panikkar)。 :)


Raimon Panikkar (born Raimundo Pániker Alemany on November 3, 1918) is one of the most prestigious proponents of interreligious dialogue. He is a Roman Catholic priest, Hindu scholar, with close affinity to Buddhism, and a professor specialized in Comparative Philosophy of Religion. :cool:

Daniel_Cheung
11-17-2006, 10:06 AM
真巧,最近上的 course 就是討論 religious pluralism。在看一本叫 Encountering Religious Pluralism 的書,作者 Harold Netland 在 John Hick 門下讀 PhD,書也是以回應他師父的理論為主 .... 還在看,有沒有人看過這書 ?:)

多謝 sbchan 的資料 !

Netland 原來是 Hick 的學生,但我模糊的印象是,他仍是頗福音派的,即傾向 exclusivism 的。可能我搞錯了 :confused:

sbchan
11-17-2006, 12:52 PM
真巧,最近上的 course 就是討論 religious pluralism。在看一本叫 Encountering Religious Pluralism 的書,作者 Harold Netland 在 John Hick 門下讀 PhD,書也是以回應他師父的理論為主 .... 還在看,有沒有人看過這書 ?:)

多謝 sbchan 的資料 !

甭謝。反正我也只是準備帶discussio的材料而已。^^

其實很多時我都忘了把一些用來帶起討論的資料貼在這裡的。今天正好記得,便貼上來吧。

一個有趣的新聞(舊聞?2002年的!)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2218456.stm

Jedi 'religion' grows in Australia

More than 70,000 people in Australia have declared that they are followers of the Jedi faith, the religion created by the Star Wars films.

問題很簡單:pluarlists 可以怎樣回應這種「宗教」呢?

(沒一定答案的。要答也不難。這段得意的新聞旨在提高大家的學習興趣而己 ):D

kktsui
11-17-2006, 07:20 PM
Netland 原來是 Hick 的學生,但我模糊的印象是,他仍是頗福音派的,即傾向 exclusivism 的。可能我搞錯了 :confused:


你沒記錯,他的書的福音派氣息甚重,更有趣的 Netland 是 Hick 在 Claremont Graduate School 任教時的學生,而 Hick 當時 (由1980 直至 1992 年退休) 的 Pluralism 傾向比起當初在 Birmingham 以及再之前的 Cambridge 時代已經是非常成熟。莫非 Netland 的心態是要在「敵營」旗下大將前討教一招半式,然後想辦法破解之 ? :confused:

Daniel_Cheung
11-17-2006, 11:34 PM
那麼 Netland 的立場是甚麼?可否簡述一下?

kktsui
11-18-2006, 09:09 AM
那麼 Netland 的立場是甚麼?可否簡述一下?

為了答會長你的問題我今天加速看完此書 …. 不過好在有你的「鞭策」,我又少了點書債 !! :D

他的 position 大概是 sbchan 兄所說 (亦是你有提及) 的Doctrinal Exclusivism。暫時看到的有以下四點,以下是我自己看書時歸納的 notes:

1) Appreciate the deep insights and noble ideals in other religions while notice that they are in “error”
2) The work of Christ is without parallel – Christianity as the true religion
3) The universality of God’s grace to all people through Jesus.
4) The all-sufficiency of Christ – No need to seek for alternatives from other religions

Point (3) 是指向關鍵問題的「持其他信仰者可否同樣得救」,Netland 沒有 Pinnock 等人這麼樂觀,認為聖靈同樣在其他宗教揭示神的心意令人歸向衪。不過同樣地他又沒有正面認同所謂的general revelation (神讓世上每一個人皆有機會認識衪,不信只不過是個人問題)。他用了一個我覺得是迴避的方式處理: “We cannot rule out the possibility that some who never hear the gospel might nevertheless, through God’s grace, respond to what they know of God through general revelation and turn to him in faith for forgiveness. But we simply do not know how this works.”。

暫時的結論是,這是一本用福音派的角度看多元主義問題的書,四平八穩,驚喜欠奉。

至於我個人覺得最期待的那部份,即是他如何反駁 John Hick ,我自己要細細看看他的 argument points,因為他用上好一些像我這種外行人未必即時明白的哲學用語 (他其中一個 research interest 是 epistemology of religion,他本身也修讀過哲學的)。遲些再報告。:p

kktsui
11-18-2006, 09:14 AM
甭謝。反正我也只是準備帶discussio的材料而已。^^

其實很多時我都忘了把一些用來帶起討論的資料貼在這裡的。今天正好記得,便貼上來吧。

一個有趣的新聞(舊聞?2002年的!)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2218456.stm

Jedi 'religion' grows in Australia

More than 70,000 people in Australia have declared that they are followers of the Jedi faith, the religion created by the Star Wars films.

問題很簡單:pluarlists 可以怎樣回應這種「宗教」呢?

(沒一定答案的。要答也不難。這段得意的新聞旨在提高大家的學習興趣而己 ):D

你這個問題好有趣,我想一想再答你 !:D