自由與預知

[come_on!]

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大家对自由與預知有什麼睇法?

[wonggk]

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我有幾個不同的思路處理這問題。

1。我個人覺得，物理學上關於時間方面的概念會很有啟發性。我們覺得這是個難題，是因為對我們來說，時間是單向的。但是，如果真的有一個神，是超越單向時間的限制的話，自由意志和預知就沒有沖突了。

2。如果問題是關於基督教救恩的揀選與自由意志的問題，可參考我和黃繼忠在這書中的一些論點﹕

http://www.hvpoint.com/series08d.htm

[Daniel_Cheung]

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我的看法在開放神論系列裡已略有交代了。http://mypage.iu.edu/~kcheung/chinese/articles/opentheism.html

你那條link的人都略有引用當代的一些哲學家的討論，不錯！不錯！但那都是六、七十年代的了。若有興趣，我可以介紹一些較新近的，新，不表示已有完滿答案，但至少是想深了一層的。 :)

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You may accuse me of resorting to innocence. But, I do believe that the conept of time plays an important role in this topic. To the best of my knowledge, physicists still don't quite understand time.

I remember that Brian Greene's book "The Fabric of the Cosmos" discusses free will from the view of a physicist.

[Daniel_Cheung]

You may accuse me of resorting to innocence. But, I do believe that the conept of time plays an important role in this topic. To the best of my knowledge, physicists still don't quite understand time.

I remember that Brian Greene's book "The Fabric of the Cosmos" discusses free will from the view of a physicist.

可否簡述Greene的觀點？

[come_on!]

我的看法在開放神論系列裡已略有交代了。http://mypage.iu.edu/~kcheung/chinese/articles/opentheism.html

你那條link的人都略有引用當代的一些哲學家的討論，不錯！不錯！但那都是六、七十年代的了。若有興趣，我可以介紹一些較新近的，新，不表示已有完滿答案，但至少是想深了一層的。 :)
較新近的,可否告知 ? :)
ps.哈哈,我就係被你那篇《開放神論之爭》[在時代論壇發表] 所吸引而來的 :D

[Daniel_Cheung]

較新近的,可否告知 ? :)
ps.哈哈,我就係被你那篇《開放神論之爭》[在時代論壇發表] 所吸引而來的 :D

噢，原來是這樣！多謝你看我那個系列！ :)

那麼，你應該知道較新的就是當代（這三、四十年）的哲學家發掘歷史裡的幾個理論，重新改良和發展。包括了：

Ockham的進路有：
Plantinga, Alvin. 1986. "On Ockham's Way Out" in Faith and Philosophy, (1986, 3:3), pp. 235-269.

Reichenbach, Bruce. "Fatalism and Freedom". International Philosophical Quarterly, vol.XXVIII, no.3, issue 111, September 1988, pp. 271-285.

Boethius的進路有：
Paul Helm, Timeless God
（但一般來說人們都不認為接受了timelessness就可解決自由與預知的問題，因為在人的那方其實仍要面對線性時間的限制。）

Molinism的進路有：
Flint, Thomas P. 1998. Divine Providence: The Molinist Account. Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press.

Craig對middle knowledge和grounding objection的辯護
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/menus/omniscience.html

反對以上所有的：
Hasker, William. 1989. God, Time, and Knowledge. Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press.
(An important work from one of the active advocates of open theism. Against all theories for compatibility.)

另外一些基督教出版的入門書，包括

Basinger, David and Randall Basinger, eds. 1986. Predestination & Free Will: Four Views of Divine Sovereignty by John Feinberg, Norman Geisler, Bruce Reichenbach, Clark Pinnock. Downers Grove, IL: IVP. (Each author represents a certain view and comments on one another's.)

Beilby, James K. and Paul R. Eddy, eds. 2001. Divine Foreknowledge: Four Views. Downers Grove, IL: IVP.

Tiessen, Terrance. 2000. Providence & Prayer: How Does God Work in the World? Downers Grove, IL: IVP. (Molinist Calvinism)