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[yong_zhi]

有些基督徒很强调一饼，一杯，无酵，大家怎么看？

[tkhwong2005]

有些基督徒很强调一饼，一杯，无酵，大家怎么看？

Can you give us more background or context of this claim from other Christians? That will be help us to have deeper reflection on it...thanks :)

[yong_zhi]

Can you give us more background or context of this claim from other Christians? That will be help us to have deeper reflection on it...thanks :)

This is the original email from a close Christian friend of mine:

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Dear Brothers and sisters:


I got this mail to quote some Scripture verses for you to discern yourself about The Breaking of The Bread – One Loaf and One Cup. And the Loaf must be unleavened – the Lord Jesus is our Passover Lamb of God, and He Himself setup/ordained this ONLY meeting to His disciples during His ministry on the flesh right on the SECOND Passover, which was also the first day of SECOND Unleavened Bread (the first Passover and the first Unleavened Bread are that in Exodus 12). The Breaking of Bread today is what represented/typed by the Old Testament time Passover and Unleavened Bread. Leaven in the Bible always refers to sins. The unblemished and un-speckled Passover lamb and the unleavened bread all talks about the sinlessness of our Lord Jesus – He had no sin nor did He know sin. I think this is enough for you to discern plus the scripture verses I quoted below – I may quote more but this is more than enough.

“7 你 们 既 是 无 酵 的 面 ， 应 当 把 旧 酵 除 净 ， 好 使 你 们 成 为 新 团 ； 因 为 我 们 逾 越 节 的 羔 羊 基 督 已 经 被 杀 献 祭 了 。 8 所 以 ， 我 们 守 这 节 不 可 用 旧 酵 ， 也 不 可 用 恶 毒 （ 或 作 ： 阴 毒 ） 、 邪 恶 的 酵 ， 只 用 诚 实 真 正 的 无 酵 饼 。” （林前5：7-8）

As for One Loaf and One Cup – you may technically argue that the word “bread” is uncountable noun that it appears always in singular form. But this is just the English word and if you insist on it then what about the cup? The following scripture verses clearly state this and I don’t need to say any more. Why shall we read man (many of them such as the new theologians are actually not believers) only but the Word of God?

“16 我 们 所 祝 福 的 杯 (cup - singular) ， 岂 不 是 同 领 基 督 的 血 麽 ？ 我 们 所 擘 开 的 饼 ， 岂 不 是 同 领 基 督 的 身 体 麽 ？ 17 我 们 虽 多 ， 仍 是 一 个 饼 (one loaf or one bread – singular) ， 一 个 身 体 ， 因 为 我 们 都 是 分 受 这 一 个 饼 (one loaf or one bread – singular)。”（林前10：16-17）

“23 我 当 日 传 给 你 们 的 ， 原 是 从 主 领 受 的 ， 就 是 主 耶 稣 被 卖 的 那 一 夜 ， 拿 起 饼 来 ，24 祝 谢 了 ， 就 擘 开 ， 说 ： 这 是 我 的 身 体 ， 为 你 们 舍 （ 有 古 卷 ： 擘 开 ） 的 ， 你 们 应 当 如 此 行 ， 为 的 是 记 念 我 。25 饭 後 ， 也 照 样 拿 起 杯 (cup –singular) 来 ， 说 ： 这 杯 (this cup) 是 用 我 的 血 所 立 的 新 约 ， 你 们 每 逢 喝 的 时 候 ， 要 如 此 行 ， 为 的 是 记 念 我 。 26 你 们 每 逢 吃 这 饼 (this bread) ， 喝 这 杯 (this cup) ， 是 表 明 主 的 死 ， 直 等 到 他 来 。27 所 以 ， 无 论 何 人 ， 不 按 理 吃 主 的 饼 ， 喝 主 的 杯 ， 就 是 干 犯 主 的 身 、 主 的 血 了 。 28 人 应 当 自 己 省 察 ， 然 後 吃 这 饼 (this bread) 、 喝 这 杯 (this cup) 。29 因 为 人 吃 喝 ， 若 不 分 辨 是 主 的 身 体 ， 就 是 吃 喝 自 己 的 罪 了 。”（林前11：23-29）

In practice, there may be some difficulties as exactly how to do it – yet if you are in the Spirit and hold fast to the testimony of the Unleavened One Loaf and One Cup there is no difficulty at all. For example. if an assembly gathers thousands of saints, and our vessels for the Breaking of Bread are small that it is not big enough to get exactly one loaf for all, why can’t we use two or more? Yet if there only few people in number, such as couples of hundreds, why use more than one? This is similar principle to that making the bread. According the Scripture, the bread need to be mixed with Olive oil. But if you are in China in a remote countryside that you can not find olive oil, why can’t you use other oils in stead? Therefore, the principle is to hold fast to it as possible as we can in practice, yet the most important thing is to hold fast to the testimony of the Unleavened One Loaf and One Cup. If we still argue on this, let the Lord discern with His Word through the Holy Spirit.

Also we agree and know that in the early times, when they do meet before the Lord’s Table, they indeed ate and drank as meals. In this cases it is indeed also difficult to have one loaf to feed all as meals – and today we don’t eat as meals so why many loafs? But I really don’t believe they had used leavened bread on the Lord’s Table if those saints really knew the meaning of the Breaking of the Bread. In fact there might be indeed someone used leavened bread in the church history but that is not what the Apostles’ teaching – which is the teaching of the Lord, and we need to have nothing to do with it. Similarly is the cup. The key is not the grape wine or grape juice, but one Cup of grape juice (the Lord also called the grape wine juice) to represent His Blood. The separation of the Bread and Cup tells us that the Blood of the Lord was separated from His Body, which means He indeed died for us. This separation of the Cup and Bread talks about the Lord offered Himself unblemishingly unto God for us and as us. Let’s all be deeply moved by what the Breaking of the Bread really tells us that we may follow the Lord INWARDLY instead of OUTWARDLY for the Lord is IN us – He dwells IN us through the Holy Spirit.

[Garlic]

恕我跳不知多少步說，基督教信仰能不能沒有聖餐？沒有聖餐信仰是不是一樣？教派要研究有沒有酵、一杯或分杯、一餅或多個餅來做甚麼？

最正宗的聖餐是吃晚餐(耶穌和門徒的式樣)，頂多加早期教會的榜樣，自己帶食物回來一起吃(哥林多教會聚餐式)。現在的可以說不正宗，還要分派麼？

世事往往因一些原因做了，沿襲下來就自訂規條，最後為的是規條，還無限上綱。

說句真感覺的話，現在例行的聖餐我重覆了二十年，每次同聽一段經文，匆匆省察認罪祈禱，全不是味兒，不如停下默想10分鐘，間歇內心禱告。趕程序的聖餐有真實餵養作用或敬拜意義？聖餐為記念主，但得有效記念主才有意思，站立、坐下、傳杯、收杯，全體擾攘一輪，真入心了？可想過是騷擾？

此乃Garlic怪論，你未聽過呢？我剛想的，我也未聽過。:)

Just for brain-storming.

[維記wei_kei]

恕我跳不知多少步說，基督教信仰能不能沒有聖餐？沒有聖餐信仰是不是一樣？教派要研究有沒有酵、一杯或分杯、一餅或多個餅來做甚麼？

最正宗的聖餐是吃晚餐(耶穌和門徒的式樣)，頂多加早期教會的榜樣，自己帶食物回來一起吃(哥林多教會聚餐式)。現在的可以說不正宗，還要分派麼？

世事往往因一些原因做了，沿襲下來就自訂規條，最後為的是規條，還無限上綱。

說句真感覺的話，現在例行的聖餐我重覆了二十年，每次同聽一段經文，匆匆省察認罪祈禱，全不是味兒，不如停下默想10分鐘，間歇內心禱告。趕程序的聖餐有真實餵養作用或敬拜意義？聖餐為記念主，但得有效記念主才有意思，站立、坐下、傳杯、收杯，全體擾攘一輪，真入心了？可想過是騷擾。

此乃Garlic怪論，你未聽過呢？我剛想的，我也未聽過。:)

Just for brain-storming.
聖禮的問題和爭論，從來都是教會（高層）領袖與神學的問題，所以合一運動往往在平信徒中較易實行，從下而上較有成果（如泰澤團體）。