Survey of Pre-Post-A-milennialism

[tkhwong2005]

Dear all,

I would like to do a simple survey, which of the statements you can identify with regarding to the view of milennialism(all the qoutations are taken from Milne, Bruce, Know the truth:A Handbook of Christian Belief):

1)The millennium as an earthly reign of a thousand years;...the thousand year is a time of great prosperity in the preaching of the gospel, which spread through the earth winning universal acknowledgement of Christ prior to his glorious appearing and the establishing of the eternal order. (Post-milennialism)

2)The return of Christ will take place before the millennial reign of Christ on earth. Christ's coming will be the decisive ending of human history under the curse of the fall; following his return the antichrist will be slain and the devil and all the forces of evil removed from the earth. After this there will be approximately one thousand years of peace and bliss on earth when Christ will rule his people, including many Jews converted by his return. (Pre-milennialism)

3) The millennium is symbolic and that there is no millennium in the literal sense. This position seeks to follow the principle of interpretation which lets the obscure and symbolic be interpreted by the clear and didactic. Thus, since the consensus of NT teaching appears to view the second advent as one single, many-sided, act of God, a-millennialism rejects the notion of one thousand intervening years when Christ will reign visibly upon earth. The reference in Revelation 20 is taken as a symbol of the rule of Christ, stressing its perfection and completeness. (A-millennium)

Also, please point out which view you have most difficult to accept it.

Thanks :)

[Ming Yuen Yee]

我在宣道會這些年，從沒有人提千禧年，而我讀過有限的書也少有接觸。所以我的答案是：「No comments」，因為我對此甚至沒有足夠的理解去做一個informed guess。理智上我會選(3)，但理智也要求我先參考聖經和教會傳統的看法，才下定論。 :p

[zhengzi]

福音派（或者只是基要派？）一般是否只接受(2)？，但按你的引述，似乎(3)對我較有吸引。 :haha:

[小兔黑黑]

咦，我都係(3)，不過我認識的多數是(2)，原來這兒這麼多(3)。

不過，可不可解釋一下(1)和(2)有什麼大的分別？

[wilson]

咦，我都係(3)，不過我認識的多數是(2)，原來這兒這麼多(3)。

不過，可不可解釋一下(1)和(2)有什麼大的分別？

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8D%83%E7%A6%A7%E5%B9%B4%E4%B8%BB%E4%B9%89

http://www.pcchong.com/mydictionary/Eschatology/Historic%20premillennialism.htm

[clement]

咦，我都係(3)，不過我認識的多數是(2)，原來這兒這麼多(3)。

不過，可不可解釋一下(1)和(2)有什麼大的分別？


第一種（基督在千年期之後才來）使人類發展越來越進步，得享千年盛世，普世尊崇基督，然後基督才來。這種看法與人類進步論協調。在兩次大戰發生之前，不少自由主義基督徒都接受這種信念，對人類和人性樂觀。

[小兔黑黑]

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8D%83%E7%A6%A7%E5%B9%B4%E4%B8%BB%E4%B9%89

http://www.pcchong.com/mydictionary/Eschatology/Historic%20premillennialism.htm

第一種（基督在千年期之後才來）使人類發展越來越進步，得享千年盛世，普世尊崇基督，然後基督才來。這種看法與人類進步論協調。在兩次大戰發生之前，不少自由主義基督徒都接受這種信念，對人類和人性樂觀。

明白了，大感謝 m(_ _)m

[tkhwong2005]

咦，我都係(3)，不過我認識的多數是(2)，原來這兒這麼多(3)。

Personally, I am going through a transition period: I am evaluating the position of (2) and (3). Generally speaking, I am more closer to (3) but still find (2) has some solid point of view... But for sure, I reject (1) and the dispensationalist position of (2). :D

[wonggk]

很坦白的說，我個人認為這是個「浪費時間」的問題，因為對我來說，我死的那一日就等於主再來的那日。我沒有可能有一千年命去找出「前千禧」、「後千禧」有什麼分別。

[tkhwong2005]

很坦白的說，我個人認為這是個「浪費時間」的問題，因為對我來說，我死的那一日就等於主再來的那日。我沒有可能有一千年命去找出「前千禧」、「後千禧」有什麼分別。

True, very true....but I am thinking another question: It seems that we have majority of people choosing (3)....but most of the traditional chinese church teach (2) (Sometime they see (2) as the only version of interpreting this view) Why does the members of this forum perfer (3) than (2)? :D

[wonggk]

True, very true....but I am thinking another question: It seems that we have majority of people choosing (3)....but most of the traditional chinese church teach (2) (Sometime they see (2) as the only version of interpreting this view) Why does the members of this forum perfer (3) than (2)? :D
會不會是因為這裏的會員大都是「理性派」，所以對比較難接受預言？:confused:

[tkhwong2005]

會不會是因為這裏的會員大都是「理性派」，所以對比較難接受預言？:confused:

Humm...I think we have problems of accepting the interpretation of prophecy (Particularly, the dispensationalist or "Left Behind" application). :)

[wilson]

Humm...I think we have problems of accepting the interpretation of prophecy (Particularly, the dispensationalist or "Left Behind" application). :)

1. I think a lot of evangelicals accept pre-m, because they think this is the only reasonable choice. But if they dig into the Scripture, they can find the biblical support for a-m is as strong as pre-m.

2. 中神 is open to a/pre-m, but 李思敬 is a-m. 建道 is pre-m.

3. I've changed my position from pre-m to a-m, because I think 1000yrs is just a figurative saying, and it is only mentioned in the Revelation. The nature of the genre is also figurative. I think it is risky to build a doctrine on it.

[小兔黑黑]

會不會是因為這裏的會員大都是「理性派」，所以對比較難接受預言？:confused:

不如由另一個角度去想：
如果你信a-m，當歷史以pre-m來發展，你會有多失望？
如果你信pre-m，當歷史以a-m來發展，你會有多失望？
(特別是災前派，如果發現要受災:eek: )
所以a-m其實可以算是一種較保守的interpretation

[tkhwong2005]

不如由另一個角度去想：
如果你信a-m，當歷史以pre-m來發展，你會有多失望？
如果你信pre-m，當歷史以a-m來發展，你會有多失望？
(特別是災前派，如果發現要受災:eek: )
所以a-m其實可以算是一種較保守的interpretation

Haha.....It is very interesting! :haha: That could be the case too.

[tkhwong2005]

1. I think a lot of evangelicals accept pre-m, because they think this is the only reasonable choice. But if they dig into the Scripture, they can find the biblical support for a-m is as strong as pre-m.

2. 中神 is open to a/pre-m, but 李思敬 is a-m. 建道 is pre-m.

3. I've changed my position from pre-m to a-m, because I think 1000yrs is just a figurative saying, and it is only mentioned in the Revelation. The nature of the genre is also figurative. I think it is risky to build a doctrine on it.

That's for sure. Thanks for point out :)

Alliance is adpot pre-m in their denominational stand on this issue (Of course, not as rigid as "do" or "died" decision.

[horace]

我是(3)

[tkhwong2005]

我是(3)

Thank you very much :) Why you pick (3)?

[horace]

天主教一向是(3)的。

[tkhwong2005]

天主教一向是(3)的。

Ok...I did not know that. Thanks! :D

[Ming Yuen Yee]

天主教一向是(3)的。
Really?! That sounds very "progressive". No wonder I am increasingly drawn to the Catholic Church. :p